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The way to make it a habit is practice, and parroting could be part of that, as is attention.

I used to parrot with her alot

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Because thats how yk

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Imaginary friemd

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And i always wondered if it was ever not parroting

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Ive never heard her

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And by hearing does that mean vocally?

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Like outloud or as a thought

Well, which do you mean?

Are both possible

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Like to what extent can a tulpa be intertwined with your mind and or senses

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Is it possible to see them as a hallucination?

Vocality is usually with mental thought

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Hearing their voice out loud is a trainable skill called imposition

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And during a switch (which oh god that seems like a super big can of worms) how does it work

You can impose any sense

During a switch

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Are you also able to appear to them as a hallucination in the same way?

If you impose yourself/get them to impose you

Huh that seems strange

Why so?

Have yall ever done a switch

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And if so how does it feel lika

In my point of view, switching with a tulpa is first and foremost changing your identity to theirs.

Entirely or

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Is it just a switch in places

Weird the first time and then less and less weird each time.

Just let a different identity module associate with body control.

Places are metaphorical here.

Yeah, I think we have the same perspective, though I would use slightly different words.

I'd say that while not switched, you are aware of being yourself (the host). During a switch, you are aware of being your tulpa.

But you keep the same identlty

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Also how do you dissociate

We now distinguish between the host and the whole. Works well for us.

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Yeah, I think we have the same perspective, though I would use slightly different words.

@Scarlet |

(@Lula! | 👻) - jump How would you word it?

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We now distinguish between the host and the whole. Works well for us.

Same

We tend to identify the whole with me.

The little i do know about tulpas and relation to host comes from talking to people with DLD

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DID*

And to think of tulpas as masks you can put on. You don't become completely different person when you switch as tulpa is still part of you.

Ive never talked to people with tulpas

We used to identify the whole with our host, but in our particular case that was leading us towards seeing system-wide problems and system-wide abilities as headmate-specific.

berockly (TTG)

The little i do know about tulpas and relation to host comes from talking to people with DLD

Similarities between DID and tulpas don't make it a good idea to follow example of people in DID communities.

Deleted User

Similarities between DID and tulpas don't make it a good idea to follow example of people in DID communities.

Nono im not

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Im saying basic knowledge such as

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What fronting is

Ultimately, I think someone/the host maintaining a dissociated other-worldly feeling the entire time will turn out to not work or not work well in the long run.

And such and such

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And to describe what i said earlier

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Im getting

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Semsations

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Of

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Feelings

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At a point i got an anxious feeling that wasnt mine and got a very positive feeling shortly afterward

Also, most tulpas are more similar to imaginary friends than to alters. And it's nothing wrong with that, tulpas who don't switch are perfectly valid.

Im not saying they are the same

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I think of them as an in between

I think it's good to know that alters are not something higher or better than imaginary friends.

Im not certain how alters work but

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Ive heard that

Scarlet...

The host usually has alot more trouble with controlling fronting

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I used to know someone who had 13 alters

Don't delete your posts ;_;

I wonder what would happen if someone with an alter created a tulpa

berockly (TTG)

I wonder what would happen if someone with an alter created a tulpa

They'd most likely be very good at it.

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And they may mistake it for an alter.

Well, DID can be a mess and in most of cases is connected to trauma people can't process. It's coping mechanism that might help you survive being abused but also backfire later. Alters tend to be very disconnected from each other and memory barriers are a common thing.

Ive heard that alters can be a big headache when "everyone" is 'talking' at once

berockly (TTG)

I wonder what would happen if someone with an alter created a tulpa

Tulpamancy techniques applied to DID can actually help a lot with their system management. Might improve communication and allow them to switch in a more controlled and willing way. Though there's also a chance the tulpa will behave/function more like an alter because that is the system dynamic that they are used to.

Abvieon {Alex}

Tulpamancy techniques applied to DID can actually help a lot with their system management. Might improve communication and allow them to switch in a more controlled and willing way. Though there's also a chance the tulpa will behave/function more like an alter because that is the system dynamic that they are used to.

True As it is based off of your subconscious i think

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Also

Tulpa can develop to function more like another identity than an imaginary friend. But it's unlikely to develop to be like DID alters. Memory barriers, which tend to be most problematic thing in DID are unlikely to be formed in tulpamancy systems.

I think the concept as a whole is fantastically interesting

It doesn't mean you can't hurt yourself with tulpamancy at all... But I'd say that it's not a tulpamancy itself that can hurt you but delusional approach to some stuff you might acquire if you're just careless.

Deleted User

It doesn't mean you can't hurt yourself with tulpamancy at all... But I'd say that it's not a tulpamancy itself that can hurt you but delusional approach to some stuff you might acquire if you're just careless.

This is with anything though

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Almost anything can hurt you

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If done improperly

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Just don't do it in a way that hurts you And make sure to have a way to check if it is

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It's not enough to just believe it's not hurting you. You need tests.

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

It's not enough to just believe it's not hurting you. You need tests.

Give examples of tests

Deleted User

Tulpa can develop to function more like another identity than an imaginary friend. But it's unlikely to develop to be like DID alters. Memory barriers, which tend to be most problematic thing in DID are unlikely to be formed in tulpamancy systems.

Tulpas and alters are the same thing at the core, just people. Different system dynamics and setups are what creates the apparent differences.

Abvieon {Alex}

Tulpas and alters are the same thing at the core, just people. Different system dynamics and setups are what creates the apparent differences.

Two sides of a coin

Yuka

Don't delete your posts ;_;

Fine. I was just worried it might be needlessly antagonistic. I'll repost.

Deleted User

Similarities between DID and tulpas don't make it a good idea to follow example of people in DID communities.

Frankly I think it may be a mistake also to assume that everyone in DID communities has an accurate picture of how DID works. I think dealing with these things in particular the same experiences could be produced a number of different ways. To some extent it doesn't matter. But the end result experience is the more certain thing, not necessarily the mechanism(s).

berockly (TTG)

Give examples of tests

You'd have to define for yourself what being mentally healthy looks like, and observe your behaviour to see if it lines up with that. They key is in observing how it actually affects your life, in order to try and avoid being biased by wanting something to be healthy.

Hmmm

Abvieon {Alex}

Tulpas and alters are the same thing at the core, just people. Different system dynamics and setups are what creates the apparent differences.

It's trauma what makes DID after all. But I wouldn't call tulpas and alters people.

Whatever the heck I and you are, they're the exact same thing. If they're not people then neither am I blurrylaugh

Yuka

Yeah, I think we have the same perspective, though I would use slightly different words.

@Scarlet |

(@Lula! | 👻) - jump How would you word it?

Probably that the tulpa takes on the brain's first-person perspective. The host is still retained, doesn't so much become something else I don't think, as it does surrender the first person perspective to the tulpa. Though I think at the core this is really just a semantic difference in describing the ultimately same experience. @Aya#6951 (Yuka)

Scarlet

Frankly I think it may be a mistake also to assume that everyone in DID communities has an accurate picture of how DID works. I think dealing with these things in particular the same experiences could be produced a number of different ways. To some extent it doesn't matter. But the end result experience is the more certain thing, not necessarily the mechanism(s).

True, DID communities bring more harm than good to mental health of their members because of that. @Deleted User can explain it the best of us I guess.

Absolutely, since proxi actually has more direct experience in that department.

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@Aya

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Sorry. Didn't ping right the first time, a couple messages up.

Thank you :)

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Yes, I think there are lots of ways to frame switching

So

Some ways of framing it make it harder to grasp and achieve

Is it possible to